1. You’ve built several businesses and have written books to help teens and young adults explore the world, including the working world, around them. What sparked your interest in this?
When I was 11, my dad asked me if I wanted to go to a summer camp in the California High Sierras. Despite the fact my parents were divorced, and my dad highly valued the small amount of time that we spent together in the summers, he thought I’d love this camp. And he was right: I went back to Deer Crossing Camp for four years, and each year I got a little better at windsurfing, backpacking, and kissing girls.
Summer camp was where real life happened; school was where people waited until summer camp. While I performed well in public school, it never fully engaged me. I found my “flow” experiences instead in games such as Magic: The Gathering (a card game), Final Fantasy III (a video game), Quake II (computer), and various others. These occupied most of my free time and provided a healthy community. So gaming helped me survive the school year, and camp filled my summers. One summer I skipped camp to spend a month living with a host family in Chile, even though I had very little Spanish under my belt. That was a challenging and fantastic experience that gave me a taste for international travel.
In college I designed my own major to study the ideas behind “self-directed learning” full-time, which led me to discover unschooling and subsequently start working at Not Back to School Camp. After college I bounced around the field of outdoor education (i.e. summer camp all-year-round) and returned to Deer Crossing Camp as an instructor, assistant director, and acting director, which gave me the experience and confidence necessary to later start Unschool Adventures.
And as for writing—it always just seemed more effective to communicate my ideas on paper instead of verbally. Perhaps it’s an introvert thing.
2. What are some of your favorite memories from Unschool Adventures?
This is an exceedingly difficult question.
Our first trip—a 6-week voyage across Argentina in 2008—was such an incredible success. We had nine students, ages 15-19 (including my brother Cooper, an enrolled high school student), and all of them were incredibly sweet, intelligent, positive, and a joy to be around. That’s when I sold myself on leading trips for unschoolers—that very first week.
But that’s not a very good answer. Let me describe some more specific scenes, with photos to boot.
Bariloche, Argentina, October 2008:
Our group was biking around the “Circuito Chico,” an gorgeous 25km loop in Andean foothills. At the end of the ride, Charlotte (one of the students) hit a patch of mud a took a gentle fall, smearing mud all over her torso and face. Laughing, she got up and immediately hopped back on the bike, but within a few seconds she realized, as she was riding, that her front handlebars were turned around 180 degrees! She laughed even more and managed to use her thumbs to brake the bike.
Gearhart, Oregon, November 2009:
When our Novel-Writing Retreat’s Thanksgiving dinner erupted into a whipped cream fight.
Woolgoolga, NSW, Australia, February 2010:
Driving a rented minivan through fields of wild kangaroos and wallabies to go surfing.
Arequipa, Peru, February 2011:
Eating cuy (guinea pig) and alpaca with Benji and Lani, two of my students with adventurous appetites.
3. What do you think your books address that other “teens in transition” type books don’t?
I don’t know of many other “teens in transition” type books that are actually written for teens. Grace Llewellyn’s Teenage Liberation Handbook, of course, was written for teens and contains many excellent resources. My hope is to follow in her footprints and write books directly for the young adults who are responsible for making their own big educational decisions (supported by their families).
4. Do you have any new projects coming up?
Yes—always! I’m currently finishing a new book entitled “Better Than College: How to Build a Successful Life Without a Four-year Degree.” I’m experimenting with a new model of independent publishing for this book (http://www.blakeboles.com/
Outside of the book, I’m launching a big redesign of www.ZTCollege.com and planning more Unschool Adventures (http://www.
5. Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
I’d love to acquire (or rent) a large piece of property that lets me run a sort of “boarding school” for unschoolers. Kind of like Hogwarts. From there I could run all sorts of interesting programs, retreats, and long-term residence programs. If anyone out there is interested in helping me accomplish this within five years, I’d love to meet them!














